Paul: The LTS view: Systems have people in charge. IS no-one is in charge. Gateways are where systems interoperate.
(Michigan student) IS can have many different meanings.
Is this a perspectival/level artifact?
What is this distinction for?
Historical narrative
CyberIS strategy
Steve: It's the key tension in the Michigan report. Ontological fuzziness can be tolerated in return for what you get from it for the relational perspective
The relational view exposes invisible things that org charts don't. But org charts are easy to get - a way in.
What are the leverage/pressure points highlighted by this model?
Ted: Can a biological model give a different perspective?
Science has always been protected by industry, but the rhetoric emerged with Merton's "communalism". Poincare in 1880s. Also 1917 in Australia - German scientisits should be allowed to Aus.
When science is seen as serving the national good (in Italy it was the Fascists who created the CNRs!)